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    Case then.................Ingersoll now

    In 1976, Case offered the customer the following choice of tractors

    210 gear transmission

    220 Hy driv

    222 Hy driv

    224 Hy driv

    444 Hy driv big wheel

    446 Hy driv big wheel


    A total of six models and 3 HP ratings.



    Today Eastman offers

    3018 Hy driv

    3021 Hy driv

    3023 Hy driv

    4018 Hy driv

    4021 Hy driv

    4023 Hy driv

    Once again 6 models and 3 HP ratings

    In addition, thanks to a foot pedal that controls speed but not direction, these models were created and added to the line

    4218 Hy driv

    4221 Hy driv

    4223 PS


    Power Steering is available for all 21 and23 HP models but not the 18 HP models


    Those two options add 6 more models to the lineup. From the standpoint of a dealer, that's a huge investment in capital and showroom floor space if he was to display each one. At bare minimum, he would need to display one 3000 model and one 4000 to at least let the customer plunk his butt into the seat. In truth, that isn't a lot to ask of a bona fide dealer.....providing the company was actually providing the sales support that other manufacturers supply. When Eastman fails to produce a sales brochure as a hand out to customers that show the entire line along with the available attachments and options, then that puts a heavy burden on any dealer. Customers are expecting to walk in the door, see the tractor on the floor and then walk out with a colour brochure and a quote. So.... let's look at the reality of a quote, shall we?


    A 3018 or 4018 is going to cost you $7, 419.00 just for the basic tractor that does nothing but tug a lawn roller or garden cart. Oh....you want to cut grass do you? OK....that will cost you another $1,680.00 to add a 44" side discharge deck but..........if you go for a 48" deck.......we'll give that to you for ten bucks LESS. Someone needs to explain how that is possible.. A wider deck uses more steel, longer blades and a longer drive belt. In any event, this basic grass cutter will set you back $9099.00. Uh... excuse me but since it does snow in this area, would you like to super-size your order with a snocaster? Yes? Well no problem. A 48" model will add $1961.00 to your price, bringing it to $11,060.00.. Tell me, do you have a large veggie garden sir? You do?.... Well then, you should consider adding a sleeve hitch ($535.00), rear PTO Kit ($816.00), wheel weight kit ($261.00), tire chains ($163.00), Flow Control Valve ($663.000 and a set of suitcase weights for the front ($583.00) so that you have all then necessary ingredients to properly support the hydraulic tiller ($1749.00).

    What's that you say? Your yard gets a lot of leaves every fall? Well then, I didn't realize that your property was that large so perhaps you should consider a HydraVac ($2,154.00) instead of the HydraBagger ($2,320.00). Of course, with the HydraVac, you will also need the DC1000 Dump Cart (1,007.00) . By rights, I should be selling you the 60 inch deck ($2,730.00) instead of the 48" deck but for some reason beyond my comprehension, the big deck does not support either Hydra systems. Boggles the mind, does it not... since the 60 " deck is touted as being the COMMERCIAL deck and many competing mowers in the commercial market do offer grass catching systems.

    Where are we on price, you ask? Hmmm. let me see. You decided on the 4018 with a 48" deck, snocaster, wheel weight kit, rear PTO kit, Flow Control Kit, tire chains, sleeve hitch, tiller, suitcase weights, dump cart and HydraVac.....Hmmm did I forget anything? Nah... I don't think so. The price comes out to a mere $18,991.00 less the $200.00 trade-in value for your John Deer L120. Of course, there is the little matter of sales tax on that figure of 8% which adds $1,503.28 to the total making it $20,294.28.

    Now...can we upgrade you to our top model with 23 HP, foot operated speed control and... power steering? How about we just make a comparison for the fun of it and then you can think on it?

    4223 ............................................9,534. 00
    Power Steering............................... 589.00
    3 point hitch.................................... 991.00
    Sleeve Hitch adapter......................... 275.00
    Rear PTO kit HP-42..............................848.00
    Flow Control kit.....................................663.00
    Tire Chains............................................ 163.00
    Wheel weights ......cast iron set of 4........ 484.00
    Suitcase weight kit ....................................583.00

    Total for tractor....................................14,130. 00

    May I remind you that the tractor is still just a tractor at that price but it will tow a trailer or other stuff in style.

    Snocaster......................................... .........1,961.00
    Tiller............................................ .............1,749.00
    48" deck.............................................. ......1,670.00
    HydraVac.......................................... ..........2,154.00
    Dump Cart.............................................. ... 1,007.00

    Total for attachments........................$8,541.00

    Grand total............................................$ 22,671.00

    8% Tax............................................... ....$1,813.68

    Bottom Line.................................... $24,484.68


    Don't forget.... We'll knock off $200.00 plus 8% if you trade in your Deere.


    And if you need a winter cab that isn't made of steel anymore.... then add another $1,087.00 plus tax.

    Or how about a rough cut 48" tow behind mower for that back field? It's a bargain at $3,650.00........plus tax, of course.




    And you wonder why Ingersoll doesn't sell?

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydriv
    In 1976, Case offered the customer the following choice of tractors

    210 gear transmission

    220 Hy driv

    222 Hy driv

    224 Hy driv

    444 Hy driv big wheel

    446 Hy driv big wheel


    A total of six models and 3 HP ratings.



    Today Eastman offers

    3018 Hy driv

    3021 Hy driv

    3023 Hy driv

    4018 Hy driv

    4021 Hy driv

    4023 Hy driv

    Once again 6 models and 3 HP ratings

    In addition, thanks to a foot pedal that controls speed but not direction, these models were created and added to the line

    4218 Hy driv

    4221 Hy driv

    4223 PS


    Power Steering is available for all 21 and23 HP models but not the 18 HP models


    Those two options add 6 more models to the lineup. From the standpoint of a dealer, that's a huge investment in capital and showroom floor space if he was to display each one. At bare minimum, he would need to display one 3000 model and one 4000 to at least let the customer plunk his butt into the seat. In truth, that isn't a lot to ask of a bona fide dealer.....providing the company was actually providing the sales support that other manufacturers supply. When Eastman fails to produce a sales brochure as a hand out to customers that show the entire line along with the available attachments and options, then that puts a heavy burden on any dealer. Customers are expecting to walk in the door, see the tractor on the floor and then walk out with a colour brochure and a quote. So.... let's look at the reality of a quote, shall we?


    A 3018 or 4018 is going to cost you $7, 419.00 just for the basic tractor that does nothing but tug a lawn roller or garden cart. Oh....you want to cut grass do you? OK....that will cost you another $1,680.00 to add a 44" side discharge deck but..........if you go for a 48" deck.......we'll give that to you for ten bucks LESS. Someone needs to explain how that is possible.. A wider deck uses more steel, longer blades and a longer drive belt. In any event, this basic grass cutter will set you back $9099.00. Uh... excuse me but since it does snow in this area, would you like to super-size your order with a snocaster? Yes? Well no problem. A 48" model will add $1961.00 to your price, bringing it to $11,060.00.. Tell me, do you have a large veggie garden sir? You do?.... Well then, you should consider adding a sleeve hitch ($535.00), rear PTO Kit ($816.00), wheel weight kit ($261.00), tire chains ($163.00), Flow Control Valve ($663.000 and a set of suitcase weights for the front ($583.00) so that you have all then necessary ingredients to properly support the hydraulic tiller ($1749.00).

    What's that you say? Your yard gets a lot of leaves every fall? Well then, I didn't realize that your property was that large so perhaps you should consider a HydraVac ($2,154.00) instead of the HydraBagger ($2,320.00). Of course, with the HydraVac, you will also need the DC1000 Dump Cart (1,007.00) . By rights, I should be selling you the 60 inch deck ($2,730.00) instead of the 48" deck but for some reason beyond my comprehension, the big deck does not support either Hydra systems. Boggles the mind, does it not... since the 60 " deck is touted as being the COMMERCIAL deck and many competing mowers in the commercial market do offer grass catching systems.

    Where are we on price, you ask? Hmmm. let me see. You decided on the 4018 with a 48" deck, snocaster, wheel weight kit, rear PTO kit, Flow Control Kit, tire chains, sleeve hitch, tiller, suitcase weights, dump cart and HydraVac.....Hmmm did I forget anything? Nah... I don't think so. The price comes out to a mere $18,991.00 less the $200.00 trade-in value for your John Deer L120. Of course, there is the little matter of sales tax on that figure of 8% which adds $1,503.28 to the total making it $20,294.28.

    Now...can we upgrade you to our top model with 23 HP, foot operated speed control and... power steering? How about we just make a comparison for the fun of it and then you can think on it?

    4023 ............................................9,534. 00
    Power Steering............................... 589.00
    3 point hitch.................................... 991.00
    Sleeve Hitch adapter......................... 275.00
    Rear PTO kit HP-42..............................848.00
    Flow Control kit.....................................663.00
    Tire Chains............................................ 163.00
    Wheel weights ......cast iron set of 4........ 484.00
    Suitcase weight kit ....................................583.00

    Total for tractor....................................14,130. 00

    May I remind you that the tractor is still just a tractor at that price but it will tow a trailer or other stuff in style.

    Snocaster......................................... .........1,961.00
    Tiller............................................ .............1,749.00
    48" deck.............................................. ......1,670.00
    HydraVac.......................................... ..........2,154.00
    Dump Cart.............................................. ... 1,007.00

    Total for attachments........................$8,541.00

    Grand total............................................$ 22,671.00

    8% Tax............................................... ....$1,813.68

    Bottom Line.................................... $24,484.68


    Don't forget.... We'll knock off $200.00 plus 8% if you trade in your Deere.


    And if you need a winter cab that isn't made of steel anymore.... then add another $1,087.00 plus tax.

    Or how about a rough cut 48" tow behind mower for that back field? It's a bargain at $3,650.00........plus tax, of course.




    And you wonder why Ingersoll doesn't sell?
    The pricing above is that a 4023 or did you mean a 4223? If a 4023 what would a 4223 PS list for?

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    Slip of the finger, sir. I meant 4223 and I corrected my original post.


    The price list shows the power steering as an option only. It does not show a 4223PS model or any other model with PS on the end. I can only assume that the pricing I gave is correct since it is drawn from Eastman's own current price list. Of course, dealers are free to sell for less.

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    FWIW, in August of`11 due to promotional offers I received a quote of $8900 for a 4021 w RM48 & SB48 shipped to my home. Certainly in line with a Deere X5** w similar equipment. Certainly less than a X7**

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    OK.... so let's see what you get in an X500

    - 24 HP

    - hydrostatic drive

    -differential lock

    - cast iron front axle

    - rear weight bracket

    -24 x 12 x 12 turf tires

    - covered tool box

    - cup holder

    - hour meter

    - 22 inch turning radius

    - 7 inch fore/aft adjustable seat

    - 54 inch deck

    MSRP - $6,000.00

    4 year- 500 hour warranty.




    Moving to the X700

    - 23 HP liquid cooled engine

    - cruise control

    - diff lock

    - oil cooler

    - hydrostatic drive - foot controlled

    - hour meter

    - front weight bracket

    - front hitch receiver

    - 24 x 12 x12 rear rubber

    - tail lights

    - halogen headlights

    -back up light

    -cast iron front axle

    - cup holder

    - covered tool box

    - rear work lights

    - 12 volt outlet

    - six position tilt steering wheel

    - 25 inch turning radius

    - 7" fore/aft seat with 3 position suspension system

    - power steering

    - 54" deck

    - hydraulic PTO clutch

    - hydraulic implement lift

    - 4 year 700 hour warranty

    - weight with no fuel and 54" deck....1,064 LBS

    - $9600.00 MSRP

    Optional 3 point hitch, 540 RPM rear PTO and 4 remotes available.


    Source...... http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_US/pro ... /x700.page?



    By and large, an Ingersoll is simpler tractor to build. Go get a Parts Manual for a new X700 and make a comparison and yet the Deere sells for less, has a larger deck, diff lock, cruise control, cup holder and turns much tighter.

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    My son currently as three 4020PS tractors all with rear PTO. One set up for snow blowing w/cab, another with the hydra bagger/wagon and another with a 60" deck for mowing. All mint low hour units. He grew up on the Case Ingersoll line since the mid 70s and has a lot of loyalty and enjoys the eq. However like most young professionals he is busy. With 6 1.2 acres to mow and a 55-' driveway he has had enough of the ground speed. He could afford pretty much what he wants but is done thinking about Ingersoll as a new option. I think Tom was a few options short on the JD option list. On top of the differences the JD dealer network, service (for those who do not work on their own tractor), other options are worth too many extra $$ to him. He said he feels like he waited long enough for Ingersoll to turn things around in terms of updating the tractor and to developing dealers. I do not blame him. His service man (me) does not blame him either.

    I love these tractors and own more than I will admit to. But in the retail world lets face it, they have become an off brand oddball. You have what, an Ingersoll Rand??? Never heard of them. Average Joe with some money to spend is not going to fork out $10,000 plus on an odd ball no matter how good they are suppose to be. I don't blame them anymore, I wouldn't either. Neither will I part with my Ingersolls.

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    Meant to say 550' driveway.

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    Just to chime in on dealer network, the JD dealer in worcester county offers a spring tune up special. They come to your home with a panel truck, drive the tractor into the truck, The truck has a lift in it. For $249 they do a complete tune up, oil change, oil filter, fuel filter, transaxle fluid change, air filter, sharpen and balance the mower blades, clean the deck, grease all fittings. For someone that does not want to work on their own machine this is one hell of a deal and the tractor never leaves your property.

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    Quote Originally Posted by markgru02919
    Just to chime in on dealer network, the JD dealer in worcester county offers a spring tune up special. They come to your home with a panel truck, drive the tractor into the truck, The truck has a lift in it. For $249 they do a complete tune up, oil change, oil filter, fuel filter, transaxle fluid change, air filter, sharpen and balance the mower blades, clean the deck, grease all fittings. For someone that does not want to work on their own machine this is one hell of a deal and the tractor never leaves your property.
    My distant relative up the road from me has a newer JD and his dealer does that for him to. Truck and all. yawn.

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    Re: Case then.................Ingersoll now

    The other day on the news,the guy was comparing the cost of gas (could also work for tractors) He stated that the cost of gas in 1949 was 20 cents,and if you took the same amount of silver in those two dimes in 2012 the value is $4.00 . So by printing money they have robbed us

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